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Post by Troy on Sept 1, 2014 15:59:49 GMT -5
Everything about this league is up for discussion/vote - I want to have tons of fun with this for a bunch of years and I want everybody else to as well. Here are a few things off the top of my head that need decided upon:
1) League Size - We have 7 teams right now (Me, Damian, Blaise, Matt G, Matt S, Erik, Carlino). I want to at least have 8 for this season, but am open to having more. Anybody know who could be interested?
2) Rosters - I wanted most NHL teams to have their top 2 lines of forwards drafted, so that we have all of the relevant players owned but not many of the fantasy-irrelevant scrubs. That's 180 forwards. Right now, based on an 8-team league, the rosters consist of 3C, 3LW, 3RW, and 2F. That's 88 of 180 starting forwards (48%). I have 7 bench spots, figuring between 3-5 of those spots per team are taken by forwards, we get a grand total of around 124 forwards owned, which is almost 70%.
I currently have 5 starting defensemen. I figure on 1 or 2 defensemen on everybody's bench which comes to around 52 owned defensemen. That's almost two defensemen per NHL team. That's fine with me.
Right now we have 2 starting goalies. With 1 or 2 goalies on everybody's bench, we get 80+% of 30 NHL starters owned, which is cool with me.
3) Categories - Right now the league is set up as a standard 6x4. Thoughts? What does everyone think of PIMs as a category - could do hits instead.
4) Keepers - How many keepers? Roster size is currently 25, with 18 starters. I'm thinking keep 10-15 players?
5) Farm Teams - Do we want to have farm teams - inexperienced guys who are owned but not on our fantasy rosters yet? There are tons of ways we could go with this. My initial idea is to have a maximum of 2-4 farm players for each of our teams. Set a limit - say 41 NHL games - and once players hit that limit, they have to be added to your roster or you relinquish their rights and anyone can pick them up.
Tons of rules involved with this - can only add players to your farm team that you drafted (not thru FA), etc.
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These are the big five right now I think. Let me know what you all think so I can get the rules straightened out before the draft.
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Post by Schmid on Sept 2, 2014 9:02:57 GMT -5
Well, I'll start off the forum talk...
1) I think 8 is definitely need in terms of league size, not least because Yahoo says you need an even # of teams to do an online draft (why, I do not know).
2) I'm perfectly happy with roster size, it gives enough free agents that allow for solid roster moves depending on injuries, players being terrible, etc.
3) Fine with the categories, either PIM or hits is fine. PIM is fine because it makes people decide between 3 options (skill team with not many PIM, skill players like Perry who also pick up a ton of PIM, or wasting a spot on the roster with a fighter to be able to keep your PIM relevant).
4) Personally, I was in a keeper baseball league before that basically let you keep as many people as you want, because the best team may keep everyone but end up sucking the next year or the worst team may keep everyone if they had injury troubles, etc, etc. So it's really up to every one but I think anywhere in the 15-25 range (or less if you really hate your team) is reasonable.
5) Interesting idea, I actually really like it because if we play this league over a bunch of years (hence, keeper league haha) then you could snag guys who are going to be stud keepers before they actually make an impact. The game limit is also smart too, like the rules when you have to send a player back to juniors from the NHL.
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Post by blaisepfaff on Sept 2, 2014 15:11:30 GMT -5
1. I agree with the league size, I know of a few people I could ask if it turns out we need more teams (albeit I don't know if they'd necessarily keep up with the league). But I know of a few big hockey fans who probably would. Let me know if you want me to talk to anyone.
2. I agree with Matt. I was thinking that with the roster size we have, teams with injuries/shitty years will have more leeway, so they won't be stuck with some scrubs. But obviously they won't have the top players so it's fair I believe.
3. Again, either way PIM or hits works for me. I think either way you will have to make distinct roster decisions to accommodate the category.
4. I think 10-15 is good. I don't have experience with a keeper league like Matt, though, so perhaps all isn't a bad idea. But I kind of like the idea of having to make that tough decision between your #9,10,11,&12 guys (or whatever numbers) and decide who to keep. Whether you risk the spot on someone who was injured or simply had a bad year, or just go with who was consistent this year. Also, some of the 'do I keep the guy who didn't produce all that much, but had a hell of alot of PIM/Hits' decisions come into play here.
5. I really like this idea. Admittedly, it will probably screw me over because I don't know/follow shit about the prospects, but it's definitely something unique that I'm down to try. (P.S. is this the FM position or whatever on your Roster post?)
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Post by mattgeiser on Sept 4, 2014 12:27:24 GMT -5
1. I like the league size of 8, but if there are 2 other competent people we want for 10 spots then I say go for it. I'm cool with either. Don't know of anyone that could be the eighth person though.
2. I'm a fan of the roster size as well. I like making sure the majority of players we have as being solid first or second liners as opposed to scrubs.
3. Either or works for me for PIMs or Hits. I would lean more towards hits, but am fine with PIMs.
4. I like keeping like 10-15 players each year. I'd rather not keep everyone, but if majority prefers that it would be fine.
5. I like the idea of the Farm/Prospect feature. Same as Blaise, I don't follow prospects as much, but I'm sure I could find some players that would be worth keeping. I also like the games played limit before making them a part of your full roster.
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Post by Troy on Sept 4, 2014 14:07:51 GMT -5
(P.S. is this the FM position or whatever on your Roster post?) Yeah. Was deciding between FT or FM as the acronym, respectively standing for Farm Team and just FarM. -- 1) I say we just go with 8 teams for our inaugural season. It'll make it easier to find a draft date that works for everybody. We can add teams and tweak stuff for next year, but let's just go with 8 this year. Blaise will be trying to get the eighth owner so I'll keep yinz updated on that. 2) Looks like we're locking in with these rosters. 3) I think I personally like hits better than PIMs. Hits are more of a "good" thing to have in real hockey - PIMs hurt your team, why should they help your fantasy team? although hits are scored in a much more subjective manner IRL. Still open to debate about this. 4) Seems like 15 is the sweet spot - as mentioned, it still makes you decide between your 13, 14, 15, 16, 17th guys - which keeps this from being a dynasty league - but with teams of 25, you're still holding onto the majority of your roster. I think 15 is the way to go. 5) Another good thing about having farm teams is it makes it harder for the shitty teams (likely Geiser and Erik) at the end of the season to dump guys they won't keep and pick up the future stars so they can just keep them. The top prospects will be protected already. However, the guys on your farm team will be tradeable, so rebuilding is still a legitimate strategy. Since it seems like mostly everybody is on board with this farm team idea, how many (max) players do we want to have? A max of 3 farm players per team means essentially the Top 25 prospects (includes goalies) will all be protected. Four would make it the Top 30. Extending past that feels like it could be a bit much. I'm gonna create a Farm Team Rules thread so we can talk about the rules. From my experience this idea is where things can get sticky if every rule isn't clearly laid out in writing. EDIT: Also thought of: Draft Pick Trading? Allow trading of draft picks in the Veteran Draft as well as the Prospect Draft? One or the other? I'm fine with allowing this. |
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Post by Troy on Nov 30, 2014 21:18:36 GMT -5
Was thinking about the 2015 drafts and I'm seeing a potential problem.
Right now, the Prospect Draft is set to take place after the Veteran Draft. This is going to throw guys like McDavid and Eichel into the Vet Draft pool. I've already posted penalties (http://steelcitykeepers.boards.net/thread/2/steel-city-keeper-league-rules) for drafting these guys in the vet draft, but I personally don't think they seem harsh enough. Basically, right now the last place finisher is going to be forced to take McDavid/Eichel with the 1st pick in this Vet Draft, and I don't really want that to be the case.
I think the best remedy for this issue is to:
Move the Prospect Draft up and make sure it's completed BEFORE the Vet Draft. The issue with this is that McDavid, Eichel, etc will all still be in the Yahoo! Draft pool when the Vet draft comes, even though they're already owned on a farm team. I can't remove players from that draft pool. However, this could be solved by basically adding a rule that states, "If you draft an a player owned on a farm team, you forfeit that draft pick (and will have to add/call up someone after the draft)."
Anybody opposed to this?
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Also: I've found out that teams CAN keep less than the required 15 players, so I'll be removing the part of the Rules page where I said I was unsure about that.
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Last: Yahoo! makes it so that if you trade away a Vet Draft pick, you have to receive an equal number of picks coming back. I didn't realize they did this, so I would like to remove the rule that says Vet Draft picks are not allowed to be traded.
Note that if you're going to trade Vet Draft picks, Round 1 of the Vet Draft will actually be Round 16, since the first 15 rounds are filled with keeper players. Just the way Yahoo! does it, so don't trade Vet Draft picks 1-15.
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